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Elokuvatekniikka » Blu-ray vs. HD DVD
Olisi ehkä sopinut paremmin tarjousvihjeisiin, mutta mutta... Amazonilta kaksi blu-rayta yhden hinnalla. Valikoimat kylläkin aika heikot ja ameriikan malleja, eli tarkkana aluekoodien kanssa.
Ja sitten se mitä Sony-johtaja oikeasti sanoi:
The deal is this: Howard Stringer was being interviewed by Business Week's Steven J. Adler about his career at the 92nd Street Y in NYC on Thursday. He was asked a few questions about Blu-ray Disc and the format war, and he spoke about it for maybe 5 minutes out of a 90 minute interview. Here's the actual text of the relevant portion of the interview:
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Adler: Of course, one of the big fights right now is Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD for the high definition video market. I mean, the first and most obvious question is: Shouldn't there just be one format? Why should people have to choose between the two? And is there any possibility that we'll be heading there?
Stringer: I should point out that that is not part of the software battle. I mean, that's actually in some ways sort of anachronistic. We're fighting over a packaged goods hardware that will not go on forever, from a classic sense. We have a more expensive version, as Sony tends to, and Toshiba has a cheaper version, which seems to keep getting cheaper. I believe it has slowed down the progress of high definition packaged goods. Oddly, the studios kind of liked it for a while. They were able to leverage one of us against each other. But in the end, it's counterproductive. We have a sort of stalemate at the moment. As you know, they had fewer studios, but then they paid a lot of money for Paramount. So we have four studios and they have two or three studios. It's a difficult... it's a difficult fight. There was a chance to integrate it before I became CEO. This is something I inherited. And I don't know what broke down. I wish I could go back there, because I heard it was all about saving face and losing face, and all the rest of it. But it's not a battle about the digital future. That's what's so strange about it. If it doesn't work out, that doesn't say very much about where we're all going. It's just... it's a scorecard: one-nothing or something. But it doesn't mean as much as all that. PlayStation 3 will still go on playing games. It would have to have a different disk drive. And that's about it really.
Adler: So when a consumer now has to choose between the two, if they want to get into the high definition video, Wal-Mart was selling the Toshiba HD-DVD for $99 last Friday for a couple of days. Usually, it's been $199 there. I think your list price is $499 for Blu-ray. That's an enormously big difference, particularly in a slowing economy. Can you play that game with the difference being that great?
Stringer: Well... we've been selling them as fast as we're making them because the brand -- first of all, we're not the only ones selling them at that price. So is Panasonic, so is Samsung, so is Sharp. And one of the reasons it's more expensive is because it does more. The bandwidth is greater. If you just want a two-hour movie, the Toshiba version is a high definition picture. But we thought that to drive high definition into the customer's imagination, you should future-proof the disks so that you could have director's cuts, which are fairly obvious. We have six to seven hours of bandwidth available. You can have interactivity in three dimensions. We would be prepared to allow the package goods to survive much longer by making it much more innovative. But that does make the player more expensive. Now, they all come down. The race is to bring costs down. It always is in consumer electronics. So it isn't going to stay at $499.
Adler: But are you surprised by how little Toshiba can sell its unit for?
Stringer: No, because -- look, I can sell it for a dollar. I'd lose a lot of money, but if you want to go that route, it's a tough competition, and it seems to be about a lot of things, including face. So if you want to cut the price down and engage us in a price war, that's a different system. We were trying to win on the merits, which we were doing for a while until Paramount changed sides.
Adler: Microsoft seems to have an interesting role in this. They're selling add-on HD-DVD drives for the -- they're taking HD-DVD to the Xbox, and Xbox competes strongly with you. Is Microsoft kind of working in cahoots or in alliance with Toshiba on HD-DVD? Is that a competitive challenge to you?
Stringer: Only the spirits know. [laughs] Yeah... you never know with Microsoft do you? You never know. Xbox versus PS3 is sort of a subplot. What Microsoft's role is in that? I don't know. We're still selling software at a faster level than Toshiba. Obviously, we care about the software side more than the Toshiba does. It doesn't have a studio. It doesn't own a studio. So it's in our interest to -- actually the most significant thing in some ways about Blu-ray, going back to Microsoft... the Blu-ray Disc has a very high security level, which Fox in particular, but also other studios, was most excited about -- wanted to have some protection from instant ripping. So the specs that went into the Blu-ray, which were done in conjunction with many studios, had this security level. That is probably not in Microsoft's interests. The Toshiba disk is certainly far easier to rip. Whether you like that or don't like that depends on your consumer enthusiasm.
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Tiedetään, mutta aivan maino tuo The Inquirerin tulkinta silti oli!
Kun luin tuon Inquirerin uutisen ensimmäisen kerran luulin sitä vitsiksi. Olisi tosiaan mielenkiintoista jos Sonyn iso pomo sanoisi että ei tästä mitään tule, me luovutamme.
Michael Bay ottaa taas kantaa formaatti-sotaan:
What you don't understand is corporate politics. Microsoft wants both formats to fail so they can be heroes and make the world move to digital downloads. That is the dirty secret no one is talking about. That is why Microsoft is handing out $100 million dollar checks to studios just embrace the HD DVD and not the leading, and superior Blu Ray. They want confusion in the market until they perfect the digital downloads. Time will tell and you will see the truth.
Bay
Olen tässä yrittänyt katsella herra Bayn Transformersia HD DVD:llä, ja täytyy myöntää että ainakin sen kohdalla Blu-ray ‑leiri koki suuren voiton kun välttyi tämän paskakasan julkaisemiselta tuossa superior formaatissa. Yritän vielä myöhemmin illalla kärsiä loput 25 minuuttia, että voin lytätä tämän täydellisellä asiantuntemuksella.
By the way... for those of you thinking maybe it makes sense to buy BOTH Blu-ray and HD-DVD to cover your bases, it would frankly be smarter just to buy neither. I know it's tempting for enthusiasts to buy both, but keep this in mind: Supporting both is only going to continue prolonging this format war, when what we all really need is for this thing to end as soon as possible.
Pleikkaan ilmestyy tänään uusi firmisversio joka päivittää soittimen Blu-ray profiiliksi 1.1. Tämä kuulemma mahdollistaa hienot kuva kuvassa ekstrat joita kilpailijalla jo on ollut käytössä. Ehkä se Matrix sitten viimein saadaan myös sinisäteelle.
Onko olemassa sellaista blue-ray-soitinta jolla voisin katsoa myös vanhoja dvd:täni, jotka ovat tasaisesti eri aluekoodilla varustettuja? Dvd-soittimeni sinnittelee vielä mutta toisaalta uusi teknologia kiehtoo. En tiedä kandeeko tohon HD DVD:hen hypätä kun joka puolelta tuntuu tulevan niin negatiivista juttua.
No kuten juuri edellisessä kommentissa todettiin, HD DVD on alusta asti ollut se edistyksellisempi vaihtoehto. Blu-ray alkaa nyt tulla vähitellen perästä tasoihin. Sen ainoa todellinen etu silti on edelleen laajempi elokuvatarjonta, johtuen siitä että studiot tukevat mieluummin sellaista formaattia jolla voivat edelleen jatkaa tuota keinotekoista markkina-alueiden jakoa aluekoodeilla. Jos haluat tukea sellaista niin blu-ray on tosiaankin valintasi. Tuostahan tuo blu-rayn ylivoima johtuu noissa myyntiluvuissakin, nimikkeitä on enemmän joten totta kai niitä myös myydään enemmän. Jos ja kun blu-rayn interaktiiviset ominaisuudet saadaan toimimaan, niin silloin viimeistään formaatit ovat teknisesti about tasavertaisia.
jason (18.12.2007 13:32)
DVD on kuoleva formaatti. Kaikki julkaisemisen arvoinen on jo julkaistu.
Kyllähän se Blu-ray vetää yhdessä jos toisessakin teknisessä yksityiskohdassa pitemmän korren, isommalla talletuskapasiteetilla voi tehdä monenlaista. Lopputulos on tietysti hyvä kummallakin, kaksi formaattia aiheuttaa vain epävarmuutta kuluttajissa. En tiedä kuinka tarkka mittari PS3:n kuvan bittivirtamittari on mutta Evil Dead 2:n alussa se kävi hetken 46:ssa. Eli täysin tarkka se ei taida olla mutta komea luku silti.